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8 years 10 months ago #26170 by Joerg Yoki
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Hello,

I´m not a friend from wolf killing sport. :(

The wolf is the forefather from all our dogs and hounds.

I love the wolves, they are a great animals.


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8 years 10 months ago #26171 by Joerg Yoki
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Hello,

This are 2 cards with stamps from my collection with Polish Grey Wolves
in the wildness.

See in they eyes and then see in the eyes from your dog ...





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8 years 10 months ago #26175 by verenav
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Oh , this is ghastly and cowardly .I think , also " real wolf hunts " were mnore often really brutal , wolves having been captured and weakened before a group of hounds was released on them and similar - what a fine species we are .Why kill in the first place , when protection works just as well/better perhaps even ? Hunting to get meat on the table is one thing , hunting for " sport " is a totally different story .

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8 years 10 months ago #26176 by Trowsahound
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I have not been there, but we met a pack at the royal cornwall show some years ago. We couldnt get close, but I have a passion for them and one day would like to see them for real, in the wild!!

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8 years 10 months ago #26181 by crackadog
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I agree Verenav. Personally, I don't like live hunting but accept that others do have their opinion and I have good friends who enjoyed it prior to the ban. However, using dogs on a tamed animal is not true hunting anyway - just so called "sport" for human entertainment.

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8 years 10 months ago #26182 by Robb
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Joerg and Yoki wrote:

Hello,

I´m not a friend from wolf killing sport. :(

The wolf is the forefather from all our dogs and hounds.

I love the wolves, they are a great animals.


Best regards
Joerg and Yoki dh:)


Couldn't agree more, that's one thing that should get banned internationally.

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8 years 10 months ago #26184 by hairybeasty
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I agree Verenav. Personally, I don't like live hunting but accept that others do have their opinion and I have good friends who enjoyed it prior to the ban. However, using dogs on a tamed animal is not true hunting anyway - just so called "sport" for human entertainment.


Just seen Jane's video.... :blink: Cant help thinking it is a stupid and pointless exercise that shows no purpose as far as I can see...it doesnt test dog,wolf or person and it's not even entertaining in any sense..
At least proper hunting served a purpose...the morality of which I wont get onto.. :S

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8 years 10 months ago #26185 by hairybeasty
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Joerg and Yoki wrote:

Hello,

I´m not a friend from wolf killing sport. :(

The wolf is the forefather from all our dogs and hounds.

I love the wolves, they are a great animals.


Best regards
Joerg and Yoki dh:)


Couldn't agree more, that's one thing that should get banned internationally.


You would think differently if you were a sheep farmer in an area inhabited by wolves... ;)

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8 years 10 months ago #26188 by Robb
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Robb wrote:

Joerg and Yoki wrote:

Hello,

I´m not a friend from wolf killing sport. :(

The wolf is the forefather from all our dogs and hounds.

I love the wolves, they are a great animals.


Best regards
Joerg and Yoki dh:)


Couldn't agree more, that's one thing that should get banned internationally.


You would think differently if you were a sheep farmer in an area inhabited by wolves... ;)


I'm sure that there are other ways to keep Wolves at bay. They are now Wild Wolves in germany and I think that they manage the problem sucessfully.

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8 years 10 months ago - 8 years 10 months ago #26191 by Joerg Yoki
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hairybeasty wrote:

Robb wrote:

Joerg and Yoki wrote:

Hello,

I´m not a friend from wolf killing sport. :(

The wolf is the forefather from all our dogs and hounds.

I love the wolves, they are a great animals.


Best regards
Joerg and Yoki dh:)


Couldn't agree more, that's one thing that should get banned internationally.


You would think differently if you were a sheep farmer in an area inhabited by wolves... ;)


I'm sure that there are other ways to keep Wolves at bay. They are now Wild Wolves in germany and I think that they manage the problem sucessfully.


Yes Rob,

the wolf friends also help the farmers by livestock protection.

Here is a link to a site over livestock guardian dog(sorry in German, but with many pictures)
Link: www.gzsdw.de/files/HSHEndversionfertig.pdf

The state Saxony paid compensation on the farmers by wolf attack of herds.

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8 years 10 months ago #26194 by Robb
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Many thanks for the information Joerg, can't read German but I get the idea.

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8 years 10 months ago #26198 by hairybeasty
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The state Saxony paid compensation on the farmers by wolf attack of herds.


Maybe the Anti-Hunting groups should have paid compensation to the family of the two children who were mauled by Foxes last month in their own homes.. :P

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8 years 10 months ago #26201 by Robb
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The state Saxony paid compensation on the farmers by wolf attack of herds.


Maybe the Anti-Hunting groups should have paid compensation to the family of the two children who were mauled by Foxes last month in their own homes.. :P


So what do you suggest? Exterminate all foxes, wolves, cougars, coyottes, lions, tigers, panthers, dingoes, hyenas, posinous spiders, snakes,............ etc. I think human kind is already doing a pretty good job.

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8 years 10 months ago #26207 by houndy
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The state Saxony paid compensation on the farmers by wolf attack of herds.


Maybe the Anti-Hunting groups should have paid compensation to the family of the two children who were mauled by Foxes last month in their own homes.. :P


So what do you suggest? Exterminate all foxes, wolves, cougars, coyottes, lions, tigers, panthers, dingoes, hyenas, posinous spiders, snakes,............ etc. I think human kind is already doing a pretty good job.


Agree - it;s called life and the risks associated with it, we have already done a good job by exterminating a lot of species into extinction. I just thank god the the propsed badger cull here in west wales has been halted (for the time being).

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8 years 10 months ago #26211 by hairybeasty
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The state Saxony paid compensation on the farmers by wolf attack of herds.


Maybe the Anti-Hunting groups should have paid compensation to the family of the two children who were mauled by Foxes last month in their own homes.. :P


So what do you suggest? Exterminate all foxes, wolves, cougars, coyottes, lions, tigers, panthers, dingoes, hyenas, posinous spiders, snakes,............ etc. I think human kind is already doing a pretty good job.


Basically if they attack our children or our stock,then yes...Raoul Moat was a naughty boy..and most people are glad he is dead and no longer a threat..so what's the difference?..just coz they've got furry coats on? :P

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8 years 10 months ago - 8 years 10 months ago #26221 by Robb
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Basically if they attack our children or our stock,then yes...Raoul Moat was a naughty boy..and most people are glad he is dead and no longer a threat..so what's the difference?..just coz they've got furry coats on? :P


I think that you’re stretching things a bit much here. Because one individual of a species commits a bad act doesn’t justify wiping out the whole species. As for killing them for taking stock, don't you think that its also the responsibility of stock keepers to use methods of keeping predators at bay rather than exterminating them all. The purpose of this topic is about the conservation of an endangered species and preventing further decline caused by people with your attitude towards them.

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8 years 10 months ago #26222 by hairybeasty
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I really didn't want to get here but have been dragged into an argument by the back door..all I said was that if the Saxony govt could pay farmers for damaged stock,then maybe the anti-hunting lobby could pay for damaged children!!
And on the topic of damage...according to this argument it sounds like it is ok for a sheep to be torn apart by wolves..but not for a wolf to be torn apart by dogs..strange logic..

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8 years 10 months ago #26223 by hairybeasty
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Basically if they attack our children or our stock,then yes...Raoul Moat was a naughty boy..and most people are glad he is dead and no longer a threat..so what's the difference?..just coz they've got furry coats on? :P


Because one individual of a species commits a bad act doesn’t justify wiping out the whole species. As for killing them for taking stock, don't you think that its also the responsibility of stock keepers to use methods of keeping predators at bay rather than exterminating them all. The purpose of this topic is about the conservation of an endangered species and preventing further decline caused by people with your attitude towards them.


Hey I didnt say wipe them all out..I said kill them if "they attack our children or or stock" I was talking about individual beasts not whole communities!! Should have made myself clearer :blink:
Dont get me started on the badger cull in Wales!!

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8 years 10 months ago #26226 by Joerg Yoki
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Hello,

The wolves in Saxonia have since the comeback from Poland since 10 years not attack children or another humans.

Worldwide gives not many attacks from wolves at humans.
Unfortunately, many, many more attacks from dogs at humans.

In 2009 there were only 22 wolf attacks(with claim) at sheeps and goats in Saxony.


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8 years 10 months ago #26228 by houndy
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The purpose of a wolf killing a sheep is for it's survival - a dog allowed to hunt down and kill a wolf is sport to satisfy sick human perversion

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