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9 years 1 week ago #26262 by chook
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OK,so the films of people being tracked by wolves for miles,with the slowest person being picked off as the opportunity arises are just fiction then?


Yes it is.

Myth #1
Wolves Attack People

FACT: Wolves are afraid of people. It is only in rare cases when wolves have lost their wildness and become tame or habituated to people that they have occasionally bitten someone, particularly if food is nearby. Since 1900, more than a century ago, there has been only one possible case of a wolf-related human fatality. That was in Saskatchewan, in central Canada, where local wolves had become habituated to garbage, thus losing their fear of humans. And it is debatable whether this isolated example is attributable to wolves or to a bear. To put this into context, in North America, bears (black and grizzly) have killed 27 people since 2000, and since 1990, cougars have killed 12.


www.livingwithwolves.org/...onceptions.html

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9 years 1 week ago #26263 by chook
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Myth #3
Wolves are killing all the sheep and cattle

FACT: Wolves are responsible for less than 1% of all livestock mortalities. Ranchers can be reimbursed for losses attributed to wolves.


EXAMPLE: In Wyoming, 42,000 cows and calves died in 2005 from all causes. Wolves killed only 54.


EXAMPLE: In Idaho, 22,000 sheep died from natural causes in 2004. Health and weather-related mortalities accounted for the loss of 7,800 sheep. Coyotes killed another 7,100; domestic dogs 1,400; bears 1,100; mountain lions 400; and wolves 244. Wolves accounted for fewer than 0.2% of sheep mortalities in 2004. These are the latest available statistics from the U.S. Department of Agriculture and/or the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.


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9 years 1 week ago #26264 by houndy
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sorry but what film do you mean?

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9 years 1 week ago #26265 by hairybeasty
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Wolfs wouldnt have remorse, they are not human - its only humans who
sometimes show remorse, except for monkey's theres no other animal that can
show it, we can not put human feelings on to animals.


End of the day wolfs, like tigers, dogs and lots of other animals out there
are bred to hunt and kill, its a fact of life - if you own a dog
then sorry but you own a hunting animal, with the breed we have
the hunt instint is even stronger - should we penalise all animals for trying to survive?
or doing what they was bred to do?


Very true Jane..glad to hear of somebody who accepts the hunting dogs roots and origins..I dont think we should penalise a dog for killing/hunting..although the recent Hunting Act says otherwise..but if your dog went deaf..and off on a rampage..different story..
It's only because dogs have that inbuilt desire to please the "alpha-leader" [horrible phrase]
that we tolerate this behaviour in them....

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9 years 1 week ago - 9 years 1 week ago #26266 by Robb
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Very true Jane..glad to hear of somebody who accepts the hunting dogs roots and origins..I dont think we should penalise a dog for killing/hunting..although the recent Hunting Act says otherwise..but if your dog went deaf..and off on a rampage..different story..
It's only because dogs have that inbuilt desire to please the "alpha-leader" [horrible phrase]
that we tolerate this behaviour in them....


Then why do you criticise Wolves for hunting?

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9 years 1 week ago #26267 by houndy
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Look - at the end of the day a lot of species have been subjecy to extinction or near extinction (red kites, golden eagle, wolves ect) because they do what instinct tells them to do and that is to kill prey in order to survive so how can they show remorse? and why should they? Farmers must surely realise that some of their stock will get killed by ground or sky prey. It is a fact of life but is that a good enough reason NOT to help a species survive? Wolves are generally shy animals that will avoid man at all costs unless they are defending their cubs. Why has there been such a drive to reintroduce red kites? They have successfully been bought back from near extinction because large groups of sensible caring people do not want to lose them and it is the same with wolf conservation

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9 years 1 week ago #26268 by hairybeasty
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I dont criticize the wolf for hunting...I would love to see a pack work together to bring down some big beast [elk,moose etc]... ;) in a reserve of course...
I just dont fancy the idea of packs of well schooled hunters on my doorstep...I get phone calls all the time from farmers who have a fox causing problems...imagine the carnage if it were 12 wolves instead!!

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9 years 1 week ago #26270 by houndy
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But a fox is a bit different to a wolf!

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9 years 1 week ago #26271 by hairybeasty
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Thanks Jane for the info..I didnt realize any of that...just thought wolves would drag down anything that moved..people included...amazing how an opinion can be based on gut instinct rather than fact..bit like other topics.. :S well I can say that I am slightly leaning toward the wolf a bit more,rather than phoning for an air-strike.. :)

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9 years 1 week ago #26272 by hairybeasty
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But a fox is a bit different to a wolf!


As I am beginning to learn...just thought they were a bigger and nastier version of my favourite hen house robber!!

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9 years 1 week ago #26273 by houndy
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Thats good - maybe now we can get back the the original topic of wolf conservation :)

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9 years 1 week ago #26274 by hairybeasty
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It all helps to get a debate going on the topic..get some information out..get over some common misconceptions..to understand a topic fully in order to make a judgement on whether wolf conservation is a worthwhile idea...or a recipe for disaster.. :P

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9 years 1 week ago #26275 by chook
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This may intrest you HB.

www.wolvesandhumans.org/w...to_scotland.htm


And just off topic a bit, i forgot to mention it earlyer,
the fox that attcked thouse kids, was humanised, it wasnt afraid of humans,
foxies that live in the towns are totaly different to the ones we see
in the countyside.

This could be the only downfall i could see - if the wolf was reintroduced
back in to scotland, you would have people either thinking it would be great sport
and would try to hunt them or you would get the silly pilock's who would want a wolf cub
in many countrys the wolf hybrid is verry popular, but it still retains the wild instints.

www.wolfcountry.net/infor...on/WolfDog.html

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9 years 1 week ago #26276 by houndy
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and if you get the chance to watch Ray Mears 'Survival' series about how he tracks wolves in Idaho.

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9 years 1 week ago #26277 by verenav
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15 years in Canada , where luckily still several wolves survive despite being hunted and also being killed just for fun , I never ever heard of a wolve attacking a human .

if you can, go and get the film/video " Never Cry Wolf " , after a book from Farley Mowat - my most favourite wolf film/documentary ever ; not 1000% scientific but for sure with a lot of thruth in it , coming from a different perspective and also , with a very nice sense of humor and the most beautiful images one could imagine !!!

Humans are seemingly always eager to blame others / other species for their own mistakes - everything to be taken with a grain of salt , even or especially science .

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9 years 1 week ago #26284 by Brollachan
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Verena if that is the title I'm thinking of, it is one of my favourite books. Is that about the chap who lived with the wolves?, ate what they ate, went on hunts with them etc etc?
He proved that the wolves lived mainly on mice and if they did hunt caribou it was only the sick and weak that were killed.
Fascinating and wonderful. I have always loved wolves and it would be tragic if they went the same way as the Thylacine (Tasmanian Tiger)which were made extinct due to farmers :(

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9 years 1 week ago #26286 by Joerg Yoki
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Hello Brollachan,

Yes, it is very interesting book.
I have read the book from Farley Mowat 2 x in German ( The German title is " Ein Sommer mit Wölfen" ).


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9 years 1 week ago #26287 by chook
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If you get the time watch some of these vids,

Its shaun ellis - a bloke who lived with wolves.


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9 years 1 week ago #26289 by Brollachan
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Very interesting Jane. Though I could watch the link you posted, it won;t let me access the other parts as it is blocked in our country. Bummer! I was enjoying that.

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9 years 1 week ago - 9 years 1 week ago #26291 by chook
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Some have been blocked by the national geographic channel,
as they are copyrigted. They are blocked for me aswell.
If you double click the vid, it will take you to youtube,
then just go through the other vids at the side, some work some are blocked.

Think this may be the second part.



3rd


4th


and 5th




The vids of the documentory on the other people living with wolfs
are on youtube aswell, these people lived out in the wild with the wolfs.
Jim and Jamie Dutcher documentary "Living With Wolves"

theres 14 of these
2nd vid.

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