Walking/other dogs issue

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8 months 18 hours ago - 8 months 14 hours ago #43692 by Naomi
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Hagrid is a 4 yr old castrated male. lives with me, 2 children, a springer spaniel, a terrier, 2 cats, 2 horses, sheep and chickens. 2 years ago I suffered a brain injury which did 2 things, kept me in hospital for 2 months, left me with rubbish balance and reduced strength. I also got divorced just after the accident. he has become very protective of me. I struggle to walk him as can't trust him if we meet people with dogs. he is aggressive to other dogs and gets away from me very easily. walk in a muzzle now but he gets it off occasionally. the final straw was when he pulled me over and when I didn't let go....dragged me through the wood to get to the other dog! I am doing well training him to come back to the whistle for food but I need a way to then hang on to him. also need a secure muzzle to let him in field with sheep (do greyhound muzzles fit better?). He goes to doggy daycare once a week for socialisation, he runs around with 10+ other dogs of all breeds/age with no problems at all, they love him! However when they led a dog (that he knew) near us and both were on leads.....both dogs became v tense. so I assume it is a protection issue? any advice would be great. obviously it goes without saying that I totally adore Hagrid!
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8 months 11 hours ago #43693 by Brodie
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Hi Naomi.... sorry to hear of your troubles. I don't know if I am able to give you any advice, wish I could.....
All I can say is that in the days when I was a bit more mobile I walked all 4 of my hounds even when I crawled along with a bad back..... After I informed them not to pull they would be fine..... I just wondered if they knew I was in pain..... I used rolled leather choke colours so nothing special there either......
Hoping someone can help with your enquiry xxxxxx

Wigster n San x

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8 months 10 hours ago - 8 months 10 hours ago #43694 by Naomi
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Thank you. He is as good as gold on the lead. Never pulls, just walks to heal as long as no other dogs!
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1 month 3 weeks ago #43758 by Craters_on_the_lawn
Craters_on_the_lawn replied the topic: Walking/other dogs issue
Apologies for the very late reply (I haven't been on this forum for a while).

Sorry to hear about your illness.

I sympathise completely with your difficulty in handling Hagrid. My boy Henry (who is not pure deerhound, but maybe 3/4, he's a rescue so we don't really know) has given me quite a bit of trouble over the years - and I have been dragged down the road before now too. Henry is a huge lump of a boy at 32 inches to the shoulder, extremely long in the body and weighs the same as me i.e. 8 stone or 50kg!!!!
When younger he was SO full of over-excited energy and so so excited to meet other dogs and ALL humans that I would have battles on a daily basis to hang on to him. (Being deerhound of course he took until he was about 5 years old to calm down!!) Now at age 9 he can still do an impressive lunge towards something he wants to and pull me with him......

(Interestingly he doesn't try it on with my husband as he knows he won't get anywhere and just end up hurting his neck as my husband is considerably heavier and stronger than me!)

Like your Hagrid; Henry walks beautifully on the lead, without pulling. (unless he sees something.....)

One useful thing I learned was if I saw a potential problem coming up (another dog, human, CAT! etc) I get hold of his collar with my hand. I seem to be better able to hold onto him then. This isn't always easy though, as like you I have 2 other dogs (a lurcher and a staffie, also both rescues) who I also walk at the same time, so need to hold onto all 3 of them!
Like you the final straw was being pulled down the road (and only due to complete luck not being hit by a car). Badly hurt my shoulder.
I went out and bought head-collars. I tried the Canny Collar first, but found that Henry worked out how to fight against this and get the nose bit loose enough to pull against it. Then I bought a Dogmatic head collar and this was perfect; there is no way he can get out of it, I also like the fact that it is padded so does not rub. With this on he just DOES NOT LUNGE anymore! Hurrah! Highly recommended! Although I have heard other people have success with the Gentle Leader too.

As for muzzles; for Henry I managed to get the local pet shop to order a (I think it was size 10) basket muzzle; its huge, very robust and much bigger than the normal greyhound muzzles which I also have around the house. Make sure you get a basket muzzle so he can breath and pant and drink through it; then its just a case of ordering a big enough one - but bear in mind it also needs to be for a pointy face, so don't get one suitable for a mastiff for example. I expect nowadays you can find one on line very easily.
Regarding the sheep though - I really wouldn't risk him loose in a field of sheep even with a muzzle on.

Hagrid's behaviour may not be anything to do with being protective - many dogs are more reactive on a lead because they feel insecure (and with all the changes that have gone on in his life recently its no suprise he may feel insecure). To work out what is going on you would need a reputable behaviourist to have a look at his behaviour - if you do go down this route please make sure you choose a reputable trainer who is registered with the Association of Pet Dog Trainers ; www.apdt.co.uk/ and not some "Caesar Milan" "dominance theory" idiot who has had no formal training and thinks they know it all. (The dominance theory has been totally discredited by all the scientific studies over the last 20 years or so but you still find a large number of idiots out there who think this is the way to train dogs.) Please stay away from these people who CAN DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD - ESPECIALLY with sensitive sighthounds.

There is also a wealth of information on the internet regarding reactive dogs (again be careful to avoid any "dominance theory" "pack leader" rubbish). Patricia McConnell I've found useful (her books are excellent as well if you want to go into more detail) ; www.patriciamcconnell.com...e-reactive-dogs
Also try reading Victoria Stillwell :https://positively.com/victorias-blog/choice-training-working-with-a-leash-reactive-dog/

Although I do sympathise completely if you do not have the time for training - you seem like you have your hands full, and have been through several stressful life events so take it easy on yourself and don't worry if you just "manage" the situation for the time being (i.e. get a good head collar). Having said that, you may find it helpful to read up about leash-reactive dogs just so you understand Hagrid better and you may find you can implement some changes to your walks and routines without putting any extra undue burden on yourself at this time.

Best of luck and please let us know how you get on.

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