Deerhounds evolution
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Griselda, or Grizelda was a strangeness and it's possible she was a "hidden-brindle", a brindle who was looking fawn, but carrier brindle-brindle. It is very rare.
Otherwise i don't understand where fawn is coming from, because in her pedigree only one gran-gran father, Rory from Canada, was unknow, and the rest were probably brindle. So how explain the fawn appearance. Also the fact that her and her sister Heatha and the numerous inbreeding marriage with this line had give no fawn reinforce "hidden-brindle" theory.
I would like to say how much i like Fiddle's breeding. Especially about reasonable size and correct rectangle format, but also for head quality and many other points.
I will never forget Ch. Fritzens Highland Ghillie and Fabulous BOB at German Breedshow; Ch. Fritzens Kate for example.
I join a picture of Ch. Fritzens Kate for pleasure...
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1. The date of the foundation of the UK Deerhound club has never been accurately recorded, it was however before 1892 (the date of the first official breed standard). It is traditionally celebrated as having been founded in 1886 (not 1892/1990 as “florent†claimed).
2. The first breed standard was indeed drawn up in 1892, by club members Hickman and Hood-Wright. However, it was certainly not modified in 1901 as “florent†claimed – on the contrary, that very same standard was formally “approved and endorsed†by the Club in 1901.
3. At that time the height for dogs and bitches remained the same: 28-30inches or more for dogs, and 26inches upwards for females - as they were originally described in 1892. It is important to note here that the dog size given in the original standard as, .. 30inches or more ..., definitely exceeds that of the true working Highland dog of the mid to late 19th century.
4. Although the Minute Books on Club official proceedings for the earliest years have been lost, and some of the later years recently went missing - so proof is now difficult to find - other published sources have narrowed major changes in the breed standard to the date of circa 1914. At which time the following were changed: a) the points system of judging on a scale to100 max. was dispensed with; b) the heights were changed, males 30-32 or more .., females 28 inches upwards..; weights slightly modified; c) the descriptive “Points of the Deerhound†(in order of importance), were appended to the standard, but are and were not a part of the breed standard.
5. “florent†notes “2000/2010 Fawn definitely disappearsâ€. That must be a typo for 1900/1910. Close reading of the UK Kennel Club Gazette on Deerhound judging appears to confirm the definite loss of the other breed colours than grey in the show ring, to be around that time frame, to circa 1930 at the latest - despite anecdotal reports of so-called reds and fawns surfacing in later years.
As an answer to “florent’s†interest in a response from other Deerhound enthusiasts – yes, the increase, and continuing increase in height, has certainly not improved the breed as far as: function, show quality, or health are concerned. Of course you now have the most modified and abbreviated standard for the breed with the present UK and FCI version, consequently historic values have been lost to many judges, breeders and enthusiasts. Cross-breeding has interesting possibilities, and as others have remarked will be difficult (and costly!) to implement in the framework of the official Kennel Clubs’ Studbooks. However, with the recent UK controversy (BBC – Crufts) and emphasis on the negative aspects of severe inbreeding in pedigree dogs - who knows? The changes to the standard over time will be discussed in our forthcoming book on Deerhounds.Gruss! Richard (February 22, 2009 This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.)
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Please excuse-me Richard.
Good luck for your book.
I'll buy it, of course.
Also thank you every body for soft answers, humour, and advices.
Florent
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Vos quelques mots de français sont charmants.
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Once again...
I remenber him at French breeshow too, he did well.
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My wife has a borzoi and I want a DH that can keep up or out run her, “her dog that is.†Unfortunately this year we saw at West M. dog show that the same thing happening to the DH is starting to happen to the Borzoi with or without breed standards. They have lost their shoulder, top line, bone and are too big to run. Where do i find a good working/running dog? Or should I give up and get a staghound, they are still not registered and have kept their functionality?
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Hi Alex, I think I got hold of the wrong end of the stick recently. Anyway, if you're talking about long distance running, a salukie would be hard to beat but its designed for a different job to a DH, and I don't know a lot about borzois, but I suspect that at the end of 24 hours, a good DH would be up there with the front runners. I know that there are some very good DH's out there, some even get into the show ring.OK so who has a DH that can outrun a sulkies, borzoi or greyhound and does that dog have any puppies? Is this DH still alive? Did this DH tear its body up or is it still running? If it does not then that is what I am looking for.
My wife has a borzoi and I want a DH that can keep up or out run her, “her dog that is.†Unfortunately this year we saw at West M. dog show that the same thing happening to the DH is starting to happen to the Borzoi with or without breed standards. They have lost their shoulder, top line, bone and are too big to run. Where do i find a good working/running dog? Or should I give up and get a staghound, they are still not registered and have kept their functionality?
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....
1850/1870; .....
-Around 1855/1860 first Borzoï cross.
-Around 1865/1866 second Borzoï cross.
1870/1900; ...
-Around 1890, third Borzoï cross.
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Hello florent,
Very intersting message over the Deerhound evolution.
Have verification in the literature over the 3 Borzoï crosses.
If yes, can you post please the sources?
Many thanks for your efforts.
Best regards
Joerg and Yoki

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