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Maida 8 years 7 months ago #2858

Here are some excellent photos from Miia Seilonen who was over from Finland earlier this month. We visited Edinburgh to see the Walter Scott Monument on Princes Street where the statue of Maida Walter Scott's deerhound is. Some people might not have seen this statue so I thought the photos would be good to post up.

The model for the Deerhound wasn't apparently Maida though as she was a Pyrenean cross Deerhound so had a white colourations especially round her collar.

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Re:Maida 8 years 7 months ago #2872

If memory serves a dog called Old Torrum was the model for Maida. I'm open to correction, naturally.
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Re:Maida 8 years 7 months ago #2874

An ornamental figurine of this statue is for sale on Ebay at the moment if it hasn't ended that is.
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Re:Maida 8 years 7 months ago #2882

Well, I got it slightly wrong. Maida was indeed a cross Deerhound bitch of the old Scottish strains but with a Calabrian sheepdog not a Pyrenean. It does still mean she had a lot of white in her coat. Sir Walter Scott had been gifted Maida.

I'm sure there are people on the forum more expert than me. So keep posted for the next correction!
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Re:Maida 8 years 6 months ago #3031

It's also my avatar, by another point of view...

About Maida, i think the best is reading Sir Walter Scott's letters.

TO MISS CLEPHANE
[Jan.-Feb. 1816]
MANY thanks my dear Miss Clephane for your kind
two letters.1 Do not suppose this an answer to either of
them, as I am in town for a very few days, and much
pressd for time. I beg your and Mrs. Clephanes acceptance
of two books. Paul has been generally liked
especially the battle, about which I have had many
compliments from military people. I send you also the
two political poems with a few additional lines. Item,
for this is a mere bill of lading, some sheets of music of
Campbell's intended work, which we trust will thrive.
Caduil gu la has taken immensely in Covent Garden.
I gave it to our friend Terry to ornament a farce or opera
or melodrama of his derived from Guy Mannering, which
has had good fortune. I am answerable for the words
of three of these (the full words will be given separately)
and we wish much to have your opinion.
The Factor's Garland is admirable and worth a
mermaid's skeleton at any time. No news here but that
we are all well, and that I have got a deer-hound or
blood-hound, or wolf-hound that is the most magnificent
creature ever seen for height and strength. All Edinburgh
is agape at him. I got him from Glengarry. He is
descended of the Blue Spanish wolf-dog, and the real deer
grey-hound
, and might have followed Johnnie Armstrong
for size and dignity.
Remember me most kindly and faithfully to Mrs.
Clephane and also Miss Williamina. Ever yours,
W. S.
All my copies of the Ballad at Carter-haugh are gone
abroad, but I will get one for you.
[Northampton]
SIR WALTER SCOTT 1816

TO JOANNA BAILLIE
....MORE forward in february than in the midst of
(April and I think if the weather does not soon become
steady we shall be cured of our national grievance of
plenty of cheap meal.
I have added a most romantic inmate to my family
a large bloodhound allowd to be the finest dog of the
kind in Scotland perfectly gentle affectionate and good-
natured and the darling of all the children. I had
him in a present from Glengarry who has refused the
breed to people of the very first rank. He is between
the deer greyhound and mastiff with a shaggy mane
like a lion
and always sits beside me at dinner-his head
as high as the back of my chair.
.....

A link; www.walterscott.lib.ed.ac...ts/letters4.PDF

When you read the letters, it is funny to see how many names of "breed" was giving to the same dog by Sir Walter Scott.
Scottish deer-hound, deer-hound, wolf-hound, wolfhound, reat wolf-dog, blood-hound, large blood-hound, scottish wolfhound, real deer grey-hound, etc...

Later, about Nimrod, from glengarry too, the "second" Maida, Sir Walter Scott did the same...

I think Elise mistake is because the old book "Dogs and all about them" by Robert Leighton

"...The herd dogs of foreign countries, such as the Calabrian of the
Pyrenees, the Himalayan drover's dog, and the Russian Owtchah, are
all of them massive and powerful animals, far larger and fiercer than
our own, though each of them, and notably the Owtchah, has many points
in common with the English bob-tail. It is quite possible that all
of them may trace their origin, at some remote period, to the same
ancestral strain. Indeed, it is quite open to argument that the
founders of our breed, as it exists to-day, were imported into England
at some far-off date when the duties of a sheepdog demanded of him
fighting qualities no longer necessary....."
Calabre is in Italia, Pyrenean in Spain, so what can we think about that...?
The "pyrenean" word seems to appear later...


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Re:Maida 8 years 6 months ago #3032

I have a rather indifferent pencil drawing of a Deerhound head, done by I know not whom, although it looks fairly old. However, the interesting thing about it is that it's inscribed 'Head of a Bloodhound'. There was a fair bit of outcrossing done on Deerhounds way back when they were still primarily kept for work and the Bloodhound was one of the breeds used. So Walter Scott might not have been that far out in his description of MAida's ancestry. Also, we should remember that pedigree breeding with a closed register is a fairly recent phenomenon. Back then, if it looked sort of like a Deerhound and could do a Deerhound's work, then it was called a Deerhound.
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Re:Maida 8 years 6 months ago #3086

Thanks for that information Florent really appreciated it and yes Sid I think you're quite right - the description followed the dogs job. I'll look into those links you posted too Florent. Elise
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Re:Maida 8 years 6 months ago #3100

In 1800-1830, the word blood-hound means pure breed, here a link with an example. www.philographikon.com/animalskelly.html
The african bloodhounds in the royal menagery, tour of london thomas kelly 1829.
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Re:Maida 8 years 6 months ago #3122

They for sure look a lot like the modern days Azawhaks ( spelling ? ) - what nice drawing .

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Re:Maida 8 years 6 months ago #3129

Yes they do or the Sloughi. Interesting info Florent
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Re:Maida 7 years 1 month ago #23542

Hello,

I have become last week fine cards from the Cusidh Scottish Deerhounds Shop.


Card issuer: Cusidh Cards
Title: Sir Walter Scott´s hounds, including Maida, his Scottish Deerhound
(from: "The Life of Sir Walter Scott , by JG Lockhart 1842")







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Re:Maida 7 years 1 month ago #23548

Hello Joerg,thankyou for showing us.Hardly recognizable as the deerhounds we know today...
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Re:Maida 7 years 1 month ago #23549

and always sits beside me at dinner-his head
as high as the back of my chair.



Now how things never change, Deerhounds poncing for food back then! Murphy doing what he does best!
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Re:Maida 7 years 1 month ago #23558

hairybeasty wrote:
Hello Joerg,thankyou for showing us.Hardly recognizable as the deerhounds we know today...

That'll be because the one in front was a collie!
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Re:Maida 7 years 1 month ago #23560

I knew that.. :blush: :S
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Re:Maida 7 years 1 month ago #23569

Sid wrote:
If memory serves a dog called Old Torrum was the model for Maida. I'm open to correction, naturally.

I found some historical articles about a dog called "Old Torrum" who was renowned as the best Deer hunter of the time. I'll try to find the article.
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Re:Maida 6 years 2 months ago #33324

Hello,

I have found a interesting articel over the Sir Walter Scott monument with Maida in the issue 34 from
the Scotland Magazine.

Source and link to the complete article: www.scotlandmag.com/magaz...4/12008088.html

Quote:
"
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Scott Monument
Rising up from the Princes Street Gardens like some medieval space-rocket, the 61m Scott Monument seems strikingly and gloriously out of place. Awinding staircase of 287 steps leads to the pinnacle, which boasts a fine panoramic view of the city.

The monument was built during 1840-46 to commemorate one of Edinburgh’s greatest sons, the novelist Sir Walter Scott, who died in 1832.

The designer, George Meikle Kemp, was a joiner and largely self-taught architect. Sadly, he never got to see the building completed.

On a foggy day in 1844, he fell into the Union Canal and drowned.

Admission to the monument costs just £3 but before venturing inside, it’s worth taking some time to stroll around the exterior. The statue at the base shows Sir Walter Scott in the company of his beloved deerhound, Maida. The sculptor, Sir John Steell, was also responsible for the statue of Walter Scott in Central Park, New York. The 64 statuettes placed on niches around the monument mostly represent characters from Scott’s novels, including Ivanhoe, Madge Wildfire and John Knox.

Once inside, the only way is up. But you can stop en-route at the Museum Room, which is beautifully illuminated by coloured light filtering in through stained-glass windows. It’s a good place to catch your breath and learn a little about Scott’s life and work.

Then it’s on to the pinnacle, with brief pauses at two small viewing platforms.

There’s no better way to end a stay in Edinburgh. There are superb views of all the major sights, including the other high spots: Arthur’s Seat, Calton Hill and Castle Rock.

It’s the perfect place to remind yourself of everything you’ve seen and done – and say a fond farewell to Scotland’s glorious capital city. " END

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Re: Maida 6 years 2 months ago #33352

I posted something on this forum last autumn after I went to Abbotsford, Sir Walter Scotts home in the borders- there was a lovely small figurine of a deerhound with a white neck in a glass case in the house, but outside another stone dog often referred to as 'Maida' but not remotely shaped like a deerhound! I like the Edinburgh one though...
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