Lurchers, Greyhounds and Deerhounds

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9 years 5 months ago #2401 by chrishafod
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My Deerhound, Isla's companion is an ex racing greyhound, Ricky. I find the differences between them fascinating. I am sure the lurcher's reputation comes from most of them having a high proportion of greyhound genes. The greyhound is just the nicest tempered dog you could imagine and far brighter than people imagine. However, I have encountered a few not very nice lurchers, and Isla bears the scars inflicted on her as a young puppy, by one; she was lucky nit to lose an eye. When we collected Ricky, the rescue centre also had a lot of lurchers, which they tend to keep, partly because they tend to come in as older dogs and partly because of temperament problems. That problem is to do with the non sight hound part of the cross. I live in an area where the favoured pet dog is the border collie, because they are easily picked up for 50.00 or less and they can be very aggressive. I find that with 1 exception I really do have to keep Isla away from them. The thought of mixing Deerhound and Collie genes is one that terrifies me, yet collie is a favoured part of the lurcher mix, and many lurchers have deerhound in them..
Please don't think this is a general down on Lurchers, many are delightful; it is rather a warning to take care, if you are considering one.
Incidentally, the rescue centre has had deerhounds and the lady in question considers them the most wilful breed she has had!

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9 years 5 months ago - 9 years 5 months ago #2406 by Terry
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I would bet that those Deerhounds hadn't been worked with. MIne will question a command by cocking a head and looking as though to say do you really mean it, and upon a repeat will do whatever is asked. Just takes time and attention and I guess there are the people who want a dog but not the work. You know the ones you see that do take the dog out and it's who is walking whom! Same with Lurchers but most are used for hunting so may not get the socialization they need.
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9 years 5 months ago #2407 by CiCoch
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I'm not sure Deerhounds are the Number one willful dog, top 5 maybe. I've come across some single minded , willful dogs in my time much worse than a DH, but I think it is very much down to the individual than a particular breed trait.

On the subject of favoured crosses. I can understand why collies are the number one favoured breed. From my observations of my wife's Dogs they are intelligent, focussed, and fast. I am no fan of the collie though because they also have tendancy to being neurotic, fearful, and bad tempered.

When you mix with a sighthound, if you can get the intelligence and focus together with extra speed and gentle nature of a hound. Then you have a dynamite dog !!!!! Unfortunately, as we all know breeding is very hit and miss. If you get just one with the right mix you are very lucky. Even so , I think a Collie cross deerhound would look lovely.

Ive often joked with my wife about crossing Mac with our collie Nell, this is what I think the offspring would look like ...
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9 years 5 months ago #2408 by CiCoch
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Saw this on the Lurcher stand at Crufts a coulpe of years ago. There's definately deerhound in it, but I'm not sure what else. I wanted to take him home !!!!!
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9 years 5 months ago #2415 by chrishafod
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Ci Coch's description of a collie is absolutely spot on, and where I have had problems, the Lurcher has reacted in a very Collie like way. I know the breed our postman most worries about is the collie; he has no problem with the deerhound and Gteyhound.
The lurcher seen at Crufts, has typical Greyhound markings and the wiry coat, I have seen on Isla's lurcher/longdog half sisters. The fact that the greyhound markings are so dominant suggests a large greyhound input as the deerhound colouration tends to be dominant. Incidentally, I am told that a small number of greyhounds are born with rough coats.

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9 years 5 months ago #2437 by houndy
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chrishafod - what rescue center had deerhounds? I find it surprising that D/H's end up in a general rescue center

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9 years 5 months ago #2441 by Lurch8252
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Never heard of a rough coated greyhound, only if it was a lurcher.

I think some are getting confused. The collie cross would be the bearded collie, not the sheep dog kind, who I know, can be temeramental.

Our lurcher was DHXGH/Beareded collie. Collies have more brains, are more biddable and easy to train. It's ok having a Lurcher that is purely sighthound, but there would be no brain in there! They would do what they liked, hunt on sight and clock a deafen when you try to recall.

Whippet x Bedlington terrier, good rabbitting dog, not only has it the speed, but will also go through the bush to hunt.

People should also understand, certain breeds have characteristics. German Shepherds and Rottweillers, great people dogs, but you find they won't entertain another dog. They will rear up on back legs barking furiously. I have never seen an owner out with one, trying to get it to come back (like us DH owners)
You will be most likely herded by a Border Collie! Bull breeds, not all, but the majority will want to go straight for the throat, again, great people dogs, not so fond of other dogs.

Also its a male dominance thing, remember you are out with a dog that is in excess of 30", weighing 100lb. This is seen as a threat by most dogs, most dogs will want to be top dog, I've rarely met a dog that would entertain Murphy, that is why I walk him remotely, it saves alot of hassle!

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9 years 5 months ago #2447 by cassandra1260
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You may or may not know this,but many many years ago Collie was infused with Borzoi.You can see this in the shape of the head and muzzle.Prior to this the Collie had a more rounded head and shorter muzzle

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9 years 5 months ago #2459 by houndy
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Some of the spanish greyhounds have broken coats - you can see them sometimes on the greyhounds in need website

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9 years 5 months ago #2542 by chrishafod
chrishafod replied the topic: Re:Lurchers, Greyhounds and Deerhounds
:P Just a couple of points, it is almost certain that the British Greyhound once came in smooth and rough coated varieties, but the smooth coat dominated after out crossing to the Bulldog, in the 18th century. I am told that some rough coated puppies still occur.
Borzois actually owe their origin to pastoral dogs, in common with the Greyhound and Deerhound.
I am driven to the view that, in a deerhound, I have an incredibly intelligent, but quite un-bidable dog. Collies are hugely bidable, but I sometimes doubt their intelligence. I often think the two get confused.

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9 years 5 months ago #2553 by Sid
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Collie intelligence and Deerhound intelligence are not the same thing. It's incredibly easy to get a Border Collie to learn stuff and once learned to continue to perform the behaviour, but almost impossible to get it to unlearn. Whereas a Deerhound will consider what you've asked it to do and then decide whether it's in its own best interests to comply. If it is, it will do so with a good grace and you think you've got a well-trained dog. Then a small chaseable thingie gets up....

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9 years 5 months ago #2561 by Lurch8252
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Yep, Sid's right! The only trick Murphy ever learnt and one I didn't want him to learn, was to sit and give paw for a treat!
My Grandad taught him that one in the space of minutes and he has always done it, funny what they learn when there is food at the end...

All you have to say is "What do you do?" and off he goes, bum on the floor with giant paw up, he looks so cute!

I'll take a picture!

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9 years 5 months ago #2562 by Teratyke
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Lets hope no one shouts that whilst you are in the ring! or "Where's Nanny" come to that.
I taught our Lurcher Hettie to roll over for Elise's Mums (Claire Cartmell) rescue hound dog show a couple of years ago. we had a special class for best trick and I had to use Hettie to do a demo at the start. She did roll over, paw paw and sit. Pretty good hey? She also came first in her class. I'd put a picture on but I've actually got it in a frame on my bedside table -next to the on of Elise ;) and its fell down the back the other day.

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9 years 5 months ago #2589 by chrishafod
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I realise that I had not replied to Houndy about the rescue centre. It is near Stoke on Trent and operates, with West of England Greyhound Rescue. It specialises exclusively in greyhounds, lurchers and the odd other sightound.
I am aware of 2 deerhounds turning up in local, general rescues and one poses a cautionary tale. It had obviously been very badly treated and locked up in a shed. Not only did it trash the new owner's house, until she learnt not to close any inside doors, when she was out, but it is vicious, both with other dogs and people. I find that a terrifying prospect.

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9 years 5 months ago #2635 by Sid
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I'm sorry, but I am appalled that this dog is still alive. It is neither safe nor sensible to keep a vicious dog, be it Deerhound or anything else. Unless there are signs of it learning to live peaceably pretty damn quick, I would have the poor thing put down. There are often good reasons why dogs come into rescue, but I do wish the original owners had the bottle to do what needs to be done, rather than passing on a problem dog.

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9 years 5 months ago #2651 by chrishafod
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The lady in question has clearly learned to manage the situation, although it is not one I would want to cope with as, apart from anything else, part of the joy of a sighthound is watching them run.
The original owners were clearly, at the very least stupid and the way they kept the dog created the problems. If I recall correctly, it was an RSPCA rescue dog and I am appalled that they would house any dog, let alone one as powerful as a deerhound, without properly briefing the would be new owners.

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9 years 5 months ago #2652 by sumac
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So, are you saying that the RSPCA did not advise the new owners? Is that after a full assessment over a period of time? Reputable rescues will do an assessment in kennels and then ideally in a foster home.
When you say he is 'viscious', how does this present?


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9 years 5 months ago - 9 years 5 months ago #2659 by houndy
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Sorry, but if the RSPCA did not advise the new owners I can't say that I am surprised one little bit
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6 years 10 months ago #34398 by akleanthous
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This is really interesting, because I've just had my rough-coated lurcher DNA tested, only to find out that she's a pure-bred greyhound. The test (from Mars veterinary at www.wisdompanel.co.uk ) is designed for mixed breeds, not for guaranteeing purity of a single breed, so I wasn't sure whether to trust it or not, especially as she weighs less than 20Kg. On the other hand, apart from her coat she looks like a greyhound, and all her pups look like pure-bred greyhounds, apparently. Where did you find out about rough-coated greyhounds? Can you provide any more information. Thanks!

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6 years 10 months ago #34399 by Joerg Yoki
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Hello and welcome akleanthous in the Scottish Deerhound forum.

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