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9 years 1 month ago #15812 by cal
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:angry: last night couldnt sleep, so for the first time i looked at the preloved site, i was amazed that some people out there think its agood idea to breed such mixed breeds of large powerfull dogs, my brother owns a gentle dogue de bordeaux he is weighing in at 10stone he has had very good training but he needs a firm handler i cant walk him he is to powerfull for me.and yet i see adverts for this breed crossed with cane corso and rotties and also crossed with tosa all these breeds need good firm sensible handling ,and in my mind the mixture of these breeds is asking for trouble, there is engough of these dogs looking for homes in shelters because their owners cant handle them i know some might say in their own right each of these breeds can be gentle giants but i wouldnt like to see the damage that one of these crosses could do ,some of these dogs are breed for fighting :( sorry for moaning but it really makes me so angry.

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9 years 1 month ago #15813 by Jacobite
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Yes, I couldn't agree more. Some of these mixes would be very dangerous in the wrong hands.

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9 years 1 month ago #15814 by Chon Dubh
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In the area where we live there has been a huge increase this year in deer poaching.It's not even as if these people are poaching for meat.Last week there was a case of a deer hunted to exhaustion,captured,its legs tied together,then left for the dogs to rip to pieces,no doubt to the pleasure of those responsible.According to local police these people are now crossing lurchers with Staffie/Pitbull types in order to produce a more "aggressive" hunting dog.Now wouldn't you just love to come across one of THOSE while your walking your hounds in the fields or woods. :( :(

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9 years 1 month ago - 9 years 1 month ago #15817 by MrsMc
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Yes I will be very careful when Daisy comes into season again that Rocky the Terrier doesn't manage to sneak in there when she is asleep. ;)

Can you imagine a dog the size of a deerhound with the nature of a terrier......... :ohmy:

On a serious note it is a massive problem. I have noticed that they now call Pit bull's American Bulls in adverts.
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9 years 1 month ago #15819 by suerose
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I still do not understand why anyone would want to advertise their dogs on a site called preloved or cross breeds like they do

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9 years 1 month ago #15826 by KimC
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The mixing of such breeds seems to be made out of a wish to create some beast/protection machine that makes the owner "invulnerable". They dont know the leat about inhertable characteristics, just do what they can tm make themself a very warm cup of sharp soup.
They try whatever they promise themselves may get to the goal, like Cane This x Tosa That + Doque Whatever x Siberian Tiger
Accidents with these dogs get more and more common as they most often seem to attract young and unexperienced dog owners. The law machine here in Denmark is boiling for the same reason. Among the serious suggestions were euthaisation of all non-purebreed dogs (that means with a pedigree!)

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9 years 1 month ago #15830 by houndy
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suerose wrote:

I still do not understand why anyone would want to advertise their dogs on a site called preloved or cross breeds like they do


Well - I am glad that Marti deerhounds owner did or else she would not be living with us now!

What difference is there between advertising on preloved or epupz? There have been 3 litters of deerhounds advertised on epupz lately and all by well known breeders!

Kim - I totally agree with everything you have said. In fact if my memory serves me right I posted about all these x's on here a good while ago. It's not just the big powerful breeds though. Every dog that is x'd to make 'designer' dogs (and lots of money) are going to have potential health problems down the line. It is being done purely for money and it makes me sick :angry:

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9 years 1 month ago #15842 by Lurch8252
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we have 3 Pitbulls living here in Hertfordshire, there were 4 but the Police took him away and euthanised him. Sad for the dog. But the sad reality is the people that own these dogs, train them to be aggressive, for protection because most of these people deal in drugs. I would be terrified if I came across one of these x breeds or Pitbulls on my walk, my little terrier would be torn to peices, my DH may stand a good chance if he legged it, but he would tire and these Pitbulls wouldn't. I would just let him go I think.
I watch alot of Miami Animal Police and the other one in Phoenix, didn't realise it was illegal own a Pitbull in Miami, but they usually end up taking them awy and sending them up state. The Pitbull looks a beautiful breed, it is man that has ruined him.

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9 years 1 month ago #15852 by farnorth
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Our own breed started of as cross breeds way back so some cross breeding must be ok and i understand where people are coming from but at the end of the day it is human beings that are breeding the dogs and it is also humans that are allowing adds to be placed on these sites in the first place.Stop the advertising = A cut back on the availability

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9 years 1 month ago #15872 by sally
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I couldn't agree with you more but whilst people are prepared to buy them people will continue to breed them. Illegal dog fighting is big business and a great deal of money is involved in it. It is so barbaric. Earlier this year my daughter found a dog sitting outside her house when she came home from work. He was very friendly and she took him in. Did all the usual stuff, phoned the police and various rescues to report that she had found him and taken the dog in.

A few days later, she took him to the vets because he had cuts on his ears and face that were not healing very well and were quite sore. As soon as the vet saw the dog he said it was a pit bull. The vet treated the wounds and Hayley took the dog home but unbeknown to Hayley the vet reported the dog to the local Dog Warden and the next day they came and took the dog away. The dog was given a few days in the pound and then put to sleep. The reason for this was, although the dog was perfectly friendly with people, he was determined to get into the run next to his and kill the neighbouring dog.
The fighting, killing instinct in these dogs is so strong it cannont be trained out of them.

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9 years 1 month ago #15874 by Ironstone
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That's what confuses my about opponents to breed specific legislation - they argue that any dog can be vicious not just pit bulls and related bully breeds, and they also argue that it's all the owner's fault and not the dog's. Hm...seems rather disingenuous to me as we darned well do know that some breeds are bred to be vicious and they appeal to certain people such as those interested in dog fighting.

Don't know if you're aware of the story in the US of the footballer Michael Vick who ran dog fighting rings and went to jail for it? He got out, was reinstated in the NFL, and has resumed a relationship with Nike (this information is on the Canadian Kennel Club site).

I wrote a protest to Nike which I've copied below. My apologies for the strong wording but I felt it important to take a clear stand on the issue! I'm usually a mild mannered little old lady whom boy scouts help across intersections :laugh: (well, I plan to be that one day!)


From: Shelley
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:02 AM
To: NikeCanada
Subject: Michael Vick endorsements



Is it true that Nike has again signed Michael Vick to endorse its products? Seriously?

If I so much as see that monster's face on any Nike ads, even once, I will not buy another Nike product again, neither will any members of my family, and neither will my friends.

He is an animal abuser. Stay away from him or decent people such as myself will take our business elsewhere. Period.

Shelley

Hi Shelley,

Nike does not have a contractual relationship with Michael Vick. We have agreed to supply product to Michael Vick as we do a number of athletes who are not under contract with Nike.

Nike’s official press release can be found at:

www.nikebiz.com/media/pr/...kStatement.html



Thank you,

Hugues
Nike Canada
Consumer Affairs

E-mail:Nike.canada@nike.com

Toll Free: 1-800-663-6453


As you can see, some well placed opposition has got Nike rethinking it's plans. It's a start anyway.

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9 years 1 month ago #15877 by Lurch8252
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If anyone watches The Dog Whisperer (yes, I know, I bleat on about our little Cesar!!) but he has several pitbulls in his pound, most he rescued from dog fighting rings, tell tale signs are the ears are hacked to make them look more aggressive :(
He rehabillitates these dogs, and his best friend, Daddy's often seen accompanying him when he goes out to help people. So I think they can be helped/saved whatever, it is man that has done these to these animals, they aren't born aggressive. Seen many a snappy Jack Russell, my own Border Terrier has his moments with big dogs he takes a dislike to.
His Daddy is a fantastic ambasedor for the breed, down to the fact he has a great pack leader (God, I am beginning to sound like him now!!)

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9 years 1 month ago #15881 by Ironstone
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I feel I should add one more thing, in case I've caused anyone anxiety with the Michael Vick story, and that is his two top pit bulls - a brood bitch with her ears cut off, and his meanest, best fighting dog, have both been rehabilitated and are taken round to hospitals and nursing homes as therapy dogs! They have so many scars and hurts on them, but such generous hearts. Goes to show what can be done by those who have a true understanding of dogs. Sadly though, not many of us would be up to the challenge, or at least I know I wouldn't be. Your dog whisperer fellow though Lurch, he'd sort all this out.

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9 years 1 month ago #15885 by Lurch8252
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No, I wouldn't want to take one on either, fair play to those that do. Sad thing is, I watched an RSPCA programme once, a worried neighbour made an anonymous call to the RSPCA about a neighbours sick pup, they investigated and thought it may be a Pitbull, this was in London somewhere in a housing estate. The pup was far too young to have left its Mum and had sickness and was listless, so they asked her where she got it. When they went to this flat, this poor pitbull bitch had about 3 pups still with her and she had mastitis and was severeley dehydrated, they were locked in a filthy flat, no food or water and the flat was empty, when they broke in (with the Police) she was so pleased to see them, such a beautiful friendly dog. They took her and her babies off to the RSPCA and an independant vet from the Dangerous Dogs Act? came and established that yes, they were Pitbulls and they were all PTS. So sad.
I don't think I could actually report someone for having one, being an animal lover and knowing that they would be euthanised, yet, I would moan if I come across an aggressive one on my walks. I worry about my Mum and her friends, they walk in local parks. But as I said, it isn't the dogs, it is the idiots that tend to keep them.

What a world we live in. When we were young it wasn't uncommon to see a dog out on his own, lots of dogs used to take themselves out for walkies, we never had all this dangerous dogs/kids being attacked then. Probably all boils down to the hottible society we live in and drugs.

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9 years 1 month ago #15938 by sally
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I agree with you Ironstone, that these type of dogs are perfectly friendly and happy with people (surprisingly, when you think of the way they are treated) but in 99% of cases they are not safe with other dogs and animals. The dog my daughter took in was house-trained, friendly, followed her everywhere and was very puppy like in his behaviour (chasing his tail and rolling over for a tummy rub) but that did not make him safe with other dogs and I for one would not like to think of the damage he could have done to one of my dogs had I met him out on a walk. He was quite obviously abondoned out in the countryside where my daughter lives (a couple of miles from the outskirts of Birmingham) and the fact that no one claimed him speaks volumes. Hayley phoned the police, RSPCA and several local dog rescues to report him found by her and taken in to her home. The Warden that took him away was also an animal behaviourist and she did try to work with the dog to socialise him with other dogs but he showed no signs of tolerating them, only aggression. The wardens theory on why the dog was abandoned was that either he was too powerful and aggressive towards his opponents (when betting takes place on the fights the fights have to last for a certain amount of time and the stronger dog is not supposed to kill it's opponent, only maim it), or, he was not aggressive enough. The warden leaned towards the first theory as the dog did not have any serious injuries to itself. It's a very cruel and sad world we live in when some people take pleasure from other's pain and suffering.

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9 years 1 month ago #15939 by Lurch8252
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and the sad thing is, these people call themselves animal lovers! I have seen documentarys on it on TV and I have sat and cried watching it, now that is an animal lover, not these idiots :(

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9 years 1 month ago #15948 by wallace
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When I was working in the vets we had to spey and castrate all pit bulls, tattoo their inner thigh. They were supposed to be third party insured and only walked with a muzzle on by a person aged over the age of 18. So what happened to the law? This is the dangerous dog act? Any pit bull look alike could be put to sleep if proven so. On the other hand pit bulls were really good dogs if brought up correctly (like any dog). With children as well. :unsure:

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9 years 1 month ago #15951 by Lucinda
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Sorry this is a bit off topic.
Sadly, here in the US dog fighting is quite prevalent. The laws in many states are nebulous and can vary greatly between each municipality. I agree that pit bulls are a breed that originally did not have this extreme agressive intra and interspecies propensity BUT- so many horrible people have exploited them. In America, one would be hard pressed to find a breeding line that did not produce a killng machine.
So many people are losing their homes to the poor economy. These are people who received home mortgages when they truly could not afford the homes. In many, many cases these people were involved in illegal activities. They have left their homes and just turned their pit bulls loose.
Abandoned pit bulls have come onto my farm from one of these neighborhoods and terrorized
my dogs and even went after my mother while she was out the tractor. I never used it, but I had to carry a pistol with me to do farm chores until all of the pit bulls were rounded up, which took a few months.
I have strong feelings about these dogs that PEOPLE have created.
Unfortunately there aren't enough Ceaser Millans or others like him that can rehabilitate all of theses poor souls.
I am deathly afraid of them. It is not a good feeling to be caring for livestock and "feel" them approaching.

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