Deerhound speed

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7 years 7 months ago #35047 by Joerg Yoki
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Hello,

I have found an article about Sighthound racing of French web site.

Source and link to the article: www.sudouest.fr/2011/08/3...485906-3324.php

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"...Avec dix races « pures » et cinq espèces « assimilées », les lévriers sont très différents les uns des autres et leurs aptitudes ne sont pas les mêmes selon leur type. Ainsi, si le deerhound écossais peut atteindre les 90 km/h, le whippet atteint sa vitesse de pointe à 60 km/h. « Chaque espèce a sa particularité. Le whippet est par exemple un chien très franc et direct tandis que le gargo, lévrier espagnol, est plus compliqué… Nous ne pouvons pas les faire courir ensemble ». Chaque course se fera donc en fonction de l'espèce mais aussi de la taille. Les plus grandes races courront après le leurre sur 465 mètres, les chiens standards sur 380 et les plus petits sur 254 mètres. ....."


In the article is writing that Deerhounds can have a speed of 90 km/h (56 miles/hour).
Is this correct? What is your experience?


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7 years 7 months ago #35048 by verenav
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I would assume that is a missprint - ( Track )Greyhounds seem to be the fastest these days ( used to be Saluki's , desert Saluki's still might be ) and I always thought around 65km/h is what a Greyhound runs - deerhounds are quite a bit slower . You do have regularly ( lure)coursig and (track) racing events in Germany - just go and watch - it IS fun ! I used to go to a lot of lurecourse trials - now not so often as I am "out of " lure coursing deerhounds ( 2 too old , Hermione not reliable enough , though she has shown some really beautyful runs ) - I am lucky that we have a few dedicated Greyhound people here - some with ex track Greys and a breeder who has a her own line established over the decades , a combination of track and show Greys , bred for performance in various activities . Greys seem to always give it their all , Whippets , too - are incredible athletes . Deerhounds , as far as I can see , usually run way slower at those events than when hunting , still , they can be very impressive on the lure course field . But even when hunting I do not think , they will reach the speed of a Greyhound - their forte is endurance .I am NOT speaking of the so different Greyhounds who appear at shows usually , they are slower than their more worklike cousins and my 1rst Deerhound who was very fast could catch them - we used to walk with a couple once in a while - she also beat some on the field once or twice when coursing in combined runs .
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7 years 7 months ago #35049 by KimC
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It is my experience that deerhounds are rater slow in comparision with other hounds like greyhounds and salukis, on the other hand, deerhounds show more endurance where the other burn out quite fast. My borzois are faster than my deerhound, yet they burn out very fast, whre my deerhound is more the "duracell" type.
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7 years 7 months ago #35050 by Robb
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I think that Deerhounds are not as fast as Greyhounds. Where they really excel is on rough hilly terrain and in that environment no other dog will come close.

Also in my experience a young deerhound is the fastest Deerhound. When mine was about 3 he chases a Saluki on a beach in Anglesey and kept up with her and even managed to nip her backside much to her disgust! 4 years later and he has slowed considerably.

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7 years 7 months ago #35053 by verenav
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Of course deerhounds are slower than greyhounds - but really , show and track greyhounds look ( and also at times behave ) like 2 different breeds - so a show grey is usually way slower than a " professionel " . My deerhounds ran with Borzois at lure course trials and were about as fast as they are , both breeds for sure not running full speed . Deerhounds can really/should be able to run for long distances in mountainous areas - Salukis being the other long distance runners in the sighthound world , I know of at least . When I see mine go off hunting I am always in awe just how fast they can be when really , truly motivated - they stay usually out around 5minutes /trip , one did way more when she wasyounger and scared me to death . So in comparison lure coursen and play is rather slow ...and there is quite a difference of top speeds amongst deerhounds , too. In Germany the better runners in the deerhound world seem to have Saluki times on the track , which is a short distance for both breeds ( usually 480meters I think ) .
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7 years 7 months ago #35054 by CharlesMiller
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I regularly run my two on a private road alongside my car (they run on the verge) to build up their working fitness, and 35mph (56kmph)seems to be about their top speed, with 30 being comfortable. They look slower than some hounds because their stride is so long, but they are about as fast as Whippets.
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7 years 7 months ago #35057 by Joy
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I have just found a couple of 20 year old certificates from Reading race track that timed one of ours at 20.68 seconds over 275m and 23.67 over 300m (combined times of 2 runs at the same length) my maths is not a strong point can anyone work that out for me. The timers always thought she was very quick so it would be nice to know.

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7 years 7 months ago #35058 by Robb
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Joy wrote: I have just found a couple of 20 year old certificates from Reading race track that timed one of ours at 20.68 seconds over 275m and 23.67 over 300m (combined times of 2 runs at the same length) my maths is not a strong point can anyone work that out for me. The timers always thought she was very quick so it would be nice to know.

Joy


Hi Joy, I calculate it as:

275m at 47.87 Km/Hr or 29.7 mph
300m at 45.67 Km/Hr or 28.37 mph

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7 years 7 months ago #35064 by verenav
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There is one more place for researching tis , at least for German speaking people go to the website of the German Sighthound Club ( DWZRV ) and there to results coursing/racing - the racing results always give the distance run and time needed , for all breeds of course - so , Deerhounds are faster than Borzoi and way slower than Greyhounds , about the same as Salukis - Whippets do run a shorter distance , I didn't bother to calculate te actual speeds though .
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7 years 7 months ago #35066 by Elise
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Linked with speed there's also a new book out (plus DVD) which is titled 'Dogs in Motion' by Martin S Fischer and Karen E Lilje. ISBN 9783981433906. Available from wwww.ourdogs.co.uk
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7 years 7 months ago #35069 by Mao
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I've don't have any scientific data, but a few years ago my Deerhound and my Greyhound slipped their collars and went for flat-out run on our farm. Actually, our Deerhound seemed intent on running down our newly adopted Greyhound.

She failed. It was no contest - Greyhound completely out-ran our Deerhound. By a wide margin. And Greyhound was a failure at the racetrack - too slow and never made a race. Although, I should qualify to say, both were middle-aged couch-potatoes, certainly not in racing trim. :-)
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7 years 7 months ago #35071 by stussy
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Mum in laws greyhound won loads on the track, then broke her lower leg :(

Even with her damaged leg she could utterly outrun my old deerhound and the beddy whippets, the only one who could even get close is my deerhound greyhound but he is still a long way behind.

When it comes to turning at speed the beddy whips win hands down :laugh:
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7 years 7 months ago #35082 by Eggnog
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About 3 summers ago (when my DH bitch was around 2) we looked after a friends young whippet for socialisation in a family setting.
The whippet was scared at first to run with the hounds - whenever he looked behind him and slowed they'd take him out ( every time I thought 'Oh no - we've broke the whippet!)
After a few weeks though he found his confidence and whenever my bitch got close he would just gear it up a notch and speed off - it was fascinating to watch.
Eventually my bitch took to chasing a bit then lying in wait until she could ambush him side on. It was the first time I'd ever actually seen her 'think'.
In short the whippet had the speed and manoeverability hands down but it still didn't replace the power and grace of the deerhound - nothing beats the sound of those galloping feet coming up behind you on hard ground :-)

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7 years 6 months ago #35439 by Fog
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I think my border collie has the edge on speed over the deerhound and she keeps up the pace. Fog is much more geared to quick bursts of speed then he's a wonder to watch although when he really gets into his mad, usually circular, dashes it's sensible to just stand still and wait for him to get it out of his system. He hasn't knocked me over yet and seems to have a great avoidance technique if I stand still....a slight move in any direction though and I could end up in the air. He too ambushes the collie...that so familiar stance...lowering the head, standing still and staring then ....dash!!! He's pretty good at toning it down a bit if I yell 'careful' after him and the collie is great at rolling over and getting out of the way. My poor old shihtzu, if he's with us, just glues himself to my ankles during these mad chases and watches them with complete disdain.

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7 years 6 months ago #35497 by kaden
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As you can see in some pictures I just posted in general chat, My 9month old deerhound is quite a bit faster than some exracing greys and a saluki. this is, of course, to EVERYONES surprise...he even slows it down as to try to stay just a bit infront instead of lapping them. My standard poodle can out run my deerie very easily. but none of these are on tracks or coursing, its all in good fun romps.
Our breeder did tell us that a deerhound has far superior stamina to either the saluki and greyhound. Both of them are sprinters, deerhouns are in it for the long haul
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7 years 6 months ago #35499 by Mao
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That is a fantastic pictures of sighthounds on the go!

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7 years 6 months ago #35501 by verenav
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love the pic , too - but I would assume they are not running full speed ( this is what it looks like on this pic , usually one designated one runs ahead and the others chase/follow , rarely in full speed when doiung so ) .Or the Greys and Saluki are in very bad shape - both breeds are faster than Deerhounds , Greyhounds way faster . Also , Salukis are also long distance runners , extremists in their own rights ;I think the only true sprinters in the sighthound world are Greyhounds and Whippets . What a lovely group of hounds you have there - how often do you meet ?
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7 years 6 months ago #35502 by Joerg Yoki
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Hello Kaden,

Thanks for your interesting informations and this very nice racing picture with your Deerhound on the first place.

I think my Yoki is a little slower as Greyhounds from Sylke of the short distance.

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7 years 6 months ago #35503 by Bohann
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kaden wrote: a deerhound has far superior stamina to either the saluki and greyhound. Both of them are sprinters, deerhouns are in it for the long haul


I have to dissagree in this one.
Greyhounds are sprinters for sure but not salukis.

And don't wanna be a killjoy but I don't believe any DH is faster than grey or even saluki.
For example in your picture can be seen that the DH is running about full speed but the other hounds are chiling down.

I have a mission to get the speed of a hunt but yeat haven't manage to get it.
I have GPS-loggers for my hounds but each time they have hunted a hare they were not wearing the loggers. :S
So far Pyry's top speed has been 50km/h while running for fun / with a friend. If I remember right.
Would just love to get the top speed for hunt as well!

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7 years 6 months ago #35505 by Joerg Yoki
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Hello Bohann,

Very interesting, this with the GPS logger for your hounds.

Hope of more informations in future.

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